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Posted by: JakeJZG
« on: May 15, 2008, 05:42:05 PM »

Sure!  :)
Posted by: pmp6nl
« on: May 14, 2008, 11:24:14 AM »

news as in a report of recent events....

Posted by: JakeJZG
« on: May 11, 2008, 09:39:54 PM »

http://undcr.com/?p=201

No references, oddly.

Who uses references in the news? :P

The UND College Republican Blog is NOT a news service. 

When I was manager of that website I did my best to post all sources available in good form.

For this decision I am not aware of any published source for the ban, but any contact to the Campus Police would give you your verification.

Posted by: pmp6nl
« on: April 17, 2008, 10:35:35 PM »

http://undcr.com/?p=201

No references, oddly.

Who uses references in the news? :P
Posted by: Sal Atticum
« on: April 16, 2008, 03:08:50 PM »

http://undcr.com/?p=201

No references, oddly.
Posted by: Sal Atticum
« on: April 06, 2008, 06:01:17 PM »

I just read about guns on campuses in SD here.

Interesting.
Posted by: JakeJZG
« on: March 23, 2008, 01:14:08 PM »

If you are to suggest that, I would suggest just enslaving the entire populous against guns.  Why not?  I don't mean to throw a red herring or anything, I just think that perhaps disarming the law abiding citizens would be beneficial if you wanted to break the law and start shooting.

You know, since making it illegal to have a gun doesn't stop those willing to break the law.

Those that follow the law tend not to abuse guns or be the problem.

Also - if the person is deemed stable enough to carry a concealed firearm in public society, why not on college campuses?

It wouldn't cause disruptions:  It does not at the schools it's already allowed, and no one would know about them - since they are concealed.
Posted by: Red
« on: March 11, 2008, 08:19:33 AM »

In an airplane they do their very best to make sure that Nobody has a gun, and access to an aircraft by an undesirable, especially during flight, is nearly impossible.  If everyone was screened to come to class like they were to get on an airplane then there may be a case against concealed carry. 
Posted by: Sal Atticum
« on: March 10, 2008, 11:23:35 AM »

Unless one wishes to ban CCW universally, one cannot logically or rationally disagree with the extension of CCW onto college campuses.

Why don't we allow weapons into courthouses?  Why don't we allow them on airplanes?  Why do we have these exceptions, but not one involving college campuses?

Just curious.
Posted by: JakeJZG
« on: March 10, 2008, 02:39:58 AM »

Unless one wishes to ban CCW universally, one cannot logically or rationally disagree with the extension of CCW onto college campuses.
Posted by: pmp6nl
« on: March 08, 2008, 01:27:53 PM »

First of all this topic has included many points about guns,  not just guns on campus.  I still do not see how you are able to claim I made my stance clear that I don’t support guns on campus or whatever you are claiming?

Let me ask you a few questions.  Do you want to allow guns on campus because you say its your right, because it could help you stop a madman on campus, or both?

The question about your rights has been discussed above.  Just out of curiosity, do you propose that there should be no limits to where guns are allowed?  Are you suggesting that allowing students to have guns on campus will reduce the number of deaths on campus as the result of guns or other weapons?  Do you feel you are vulnerable to attack since you are not allowed to carry your gun on campus?  Have you ever heard of anyone getting accidentally shot?  How much gun training have you had?  How about training relating to mental disorders, negotiation, and tracking, among others?  Do you think the issue is as simple as someone bringing a gun to campus and shooting people, or do you think there are many underlying issues? 

Again, before you make claims I am not the one that is saying ban all guns.  I am saying if guns are allowed then something different needs to be done.  Of course this is an opinion I am presenting.  As was said above, arguments like this don’t often end up convincing one person one way or another.

I await your response so I can gather a better idea as to what exactly you want.
Posted by: Red
« on: March 08, 2008, 01:24:47 AM »

Just remember that this topic is about concealed carry on campus.  The two of you have made it clear that you do not support it.  I look forward to your explanation.   
Posted by: pmp6nl
« on: March 07, 2008, 04:06:13 PM »

Red why are you generalizing and assuming I dont have a gun and I feel this way or that way about it?  Just because I posted some articles and said that a video on Youtube did not convince me of anything does not mean I am against gun ownership or anything.

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I think if people like pmp6nl and ajekt
Like what?  How are we so different?

I could say if people like Red werent so "I have to have a gun because its my right" then they might feel different about the situation.

Thats just ridiculous to assume something like that based on a few posts... and for your information you are way off on how I feel about the subject.

I have to leave for a meeting, but I will provide a much more detailed response later.

Posted by: Sal Atticum
« on: March 07, 2008, 03:23:54 PM »

You make an absolutely clear point with that.  I guess I can't just assume that the dorms are gun free either.  In this case (since we're talking about UND), I think I'm on your side when it comes to not fixing what's not broken.  What do the powers that be say when this argument is used?

Posted by: Red
« on: March 07, 2008, 01:30:52 PM »

Good post.

I did want to comment on this part.
All I'm saying is that accidents happen, no matter how careful we are, especially where a lot of alcohol is consumed.  I think that there would be fewer accidents if firearm safety education were the rule rather than the exception (yes, I know we're in ND, but I'm thinking on a nationwide scale).

Currently there are guns allowed in campus apartments, and lets not pretend that frat houses are gun free.  Currently there are no problems.  I just do not see it getting worse.  The idea of concealed carry is to be concealed.  My friends don't even know I own a gun.  I think if people like pmp6nl and ajekt obtained a hand gun, they may feel different about the situation.  I have been on both sides, I doubt they have.
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