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Re: Iran
« Reply #20 on: October 10, 2007, 12:00:48 am »
Oil is the real reason we are heading that way?
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Re: Iran
« Reply #21 on: October 10, 2007, 05:04:25 am »
Oil is the real reason we are heading that way?
Well, there are probably already special forces in-country already.
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Re: Iran
« Reply #22 on: October 10, 2007, 08:17:19 am »
We should def invade iran. I dont want them blowing us up, and everyone thinks they will when they make nukes next year.  It would make the price of gas go down to.
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« Reply #23 on: October 10, 2007, 02:37:13 pm »
We should def invade iran. I dont want them blowing us up, and everyone thinks they will when they make nukes next year.  It would make the price of gas go down to.
We could just wave our genitals from a ridge towards Tehran and cause them to capitulate and become our serfs.  We can be Gods.
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Re: Iran
« Reply #24 on: October 10, 2007, 03:40:41 pm »
Why not? Its obvious they cant govern themselves.
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Re: Iran
« Reply #25 on: October 10, 2007, 05:58:38 pm »
Why not? Its obvious they cant govern themselves.

I don't think that we would be doing anything at all over there just because they can't seem to shake their depots. 
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Re: Iran
« Reply #26 on: October 14, 2007, 12:40:03 pm »
A boy, another war.
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Re: Iran
« Reply #27 on: October 14, 2007, 04:07:22 pm »
So do you want to invade Iran?  Before or after we finish up whatever it is we're doing in Iraq?

At the rate we are going?
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« Reply #28 on: October 15, 2007, 02:15:55 am »
So do you want to invade Iran?  Before or after we finish up whatever it is we're doing in Iraq?

At the rate we are going?
You mean our successes country-wide due to the changes in doctrine and tactical avenues?
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Re: Iran
« Reply #29 on: October 15, 2007, 11:18:31 am »
Examples of these successes??


They may be successes but at what cost?

Do you honestly think we went over there to free people?  We didn't, it was for oil.

I dont see us spending billions in Africa to help all of those people, want to know why?  Its because they dont have a lot of oil for us to procure.
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Re: Iran
« Reply #30 on: October 15, 2007, 11:35:02 am »
Examples of these successes??


They may be successes but at what cost?

Do you honestly think we went over there to free people?  We didn't, it was for oil.

I dont see us spending billions in Africa to help all of those people, want to know why?  Its because they dont have a lot of oil for us to procure.

LOL WAR 4 OIL

It was the only response you deserve, ponce.  Go read what has happened in Iraq in the past four months and come back.
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Re: Iran
« Reply #31 on: October 15, 2007, 11:56:33 am »
I dont need to read what has happened in Iraq in the past 4 months.  I have my cousin, who is over there, to tell me what is going on.
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« Reply #32 on: October 15, 2007, 12:46:54 pm »
I dont need to read what has happened in Iraq in the past 4 months.  I have my cousin, who is over there, to tell me what is going on.
I see - and just what has he described it as?  Where is he generally stationed?  What unit is he in? 

As always, observe OPSEC.
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Re: Iran
« Reply #33 on: November 03, 2007, 07:40:17 pm »
Gotta ask--what's OPSEC?
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« Reply #34 on: November 03, 2007, 07:43:15 pm »
Operations Security - "The process of denying potential adversaries any information about capabilities and/or intentions by identifying, controlling and protecting generally unclassified evidence of the planning and execution of sensitive activities."

Basically don't give out any information that might help the enemy.
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Re: Iran
« Reply #35 on: November 04, 2007, 12:41:07 pm »
Operations Security - "The process of denying potential adversaries any information about capabilities and/or intentions by identifying, controlling and protecting generally unclassified evidence of the planning and execution of sensitive activities."

Basically don't give out any information that might help the enemy.

Thats always a good idea
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Re: Iran
« Reply #36 on: January 28, 2008, 09:10:56 am »
I think you scared ol' GOOOOOOOOO BISON! guy away, Jake.
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Re: Iran
« Reply #37 on: February 01, 2008, 02:20:10 pm »
No he did scare me away admiral, I have been busy.

My cousin has spent nearly 3 years over there since graduating from West Point, he is a Capitan in the Marines and has been known to lead conveys across the country, hence he has been to every major area.

People are dying over there, thousands upon thousands of them.  People are without food, clean water, or medication; they have no doctors to go to, they have no means to provide for themselves.  The country is still in shambles, blown apart.  People live in constant fear, not only fear as to how they are going to get food, but if they are going to get shot stepping out their door.

Now I am not debating this with a comparison as to what it was like beforehand, I am saying the current condition people have to live in.


And again you didnt answer my question.  We are supposedly over there to help people (and of course they added in the whole national defense thing), but you dont see us in Africa or other areas.

Quit believing everything you hear on fox.
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« Reply #38 on: February 04, 2008, 01:30:00 am »
The United States is involved in Iraq to follow this doctrine:
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June 3, 1997

American foreign and defense policy is adrift. Conservatives have criticized the incoherent policies of the Clinton Administration. They have also resisted isolationist impulses from within their own ranks. But conservatives have not confidently advanced a strategic vision of America's role in the world. They have not set forth guiding principles for American foreign policy. They have allowed differences over tactics to obscure potential agreement on strategic objectives. And they have not fought for a defense budget that would maintain American security and advance American interests in the new century.

We aim to change this. We aim to make the case and rally support for American global leadership.

As the 20th century draws to a close, the United States stands as the world's preeminent power. Having led the West to victory in the Cold War, America faces an opportunity and a challenge: Does the United States have the vision to build upon the achievements of past decades? Does the United States have the resolve to shape a new century favorable to American principles and interests?

We are in danger of squandering the opportunity and failing the challenge. We are living off the capital -- both the military investments and the foreign policy achievements -- built up by past administrations. Cuts in foreign affairs and defense spending, inattention to the tools of statecraft, and inconstant leadership are making it increasingly difficult to sustain American influence around the world. And the promise of short-term commercial benefits threatens to override strategic considerations. As a consequence, we are jeopardizing the nation's ability to meet present threats and to deal with potentially greater challenges that lie ahead.

We seem to have forgotten the essential elements of the Reagan Administration's success: a military that is strong and ready to meet both present and future challenges; a foreign policy that boldly and purposefully promotes American principles abroad; and national leadership that accepts the United States' global responsibilities.

Of course, the United States must be prudent in how it exercises its power. But we cannot safely avoid the responsibilities of global leadership or the costs that are associated with its exercise. America has a vital role in maintaining peace and security in Europe, Asia, and the Middle East. If we shirk our responsibilities, we invite challenges to our fundamental interests. The history of the 20th century should have taught us that it is important to shape circumstances before crises emerge, and to meet threats before they become dire. The history of this century should have taught us to embrace the cause of American leadership.

Our aim is to remind Americans of these lessons and to draw their consequences for today. Here are four consequences:

    we need to increase defense spending significantly if we are to carry out our global
    responsibilities today and modernize our armed forces for the future;

    we need to strengthen our ties to democratic allies and to challenge regimes hostile to our interests and values;

    we need to promote the cause of political and economic freedom abroad;

    we need to accept responsibility for America's unique role in preserving and extending an international order friendly to our security, our prosperity, and our principles.

Such a Reaganite policy of military strength and moral clarity may not be fashionable today. But it is necessary if the United States is to build on the successes of this past century and to ensure our security and our greatness in the next.

Through the active creation of friendly governments that offer representation, suffrage, and general rights the United States will be more secure and the world will be benefited in the long run.

That's it.  Nothing more than has already been espoused by the Administration.

http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm

In reply to your statements regarding current situations in Iraq:

People die wholesale in war - what is important is that Coalition involvement (most notably since the surge went into effect) has benefited the general Iraqi people.  While many still die (you will be hard pressed to find accurate numbers) and will continue to do so for some time (beyond that of what could be considered an acceptable level akin to that of a Western country or Isreal), it is important to know that Iraqis are taking control of their country at a quickening pace.  Local government is beginning to work.  The economy is growing daily.  People go outside, want barriers down in their towns, and are beginning to see higher levels of peace.  The quality and effectiveness of Iraqi security forces are steadily able to take over more and more operational capabilities from Coalition forces. 

The significant change in tactical and strategic doctrine with the implementation of the surge has allowed Iraq to begin to take care of itself.  It is not perfect, it is not certain to succeed, and it is not pretty or completely safe yet - but it's working and getting better every day.

Some good ponderings on this can be read here:
http://pajamasmedia.com/xpress/victordavishanson/2007/11/13/iraqi_thoughts.php
http://pajamasmedia.com/xpress/victordavishanson/2007/10/07/impressions_of_iraqpart_ii.php
http://pajamasmedia.com/xpress/victordavishanson/2007/10/09/iraqi_impressionspart_iii_and.php
http://pajamasmedia.com/xpress/victordavishanson/2007/10/06/observations_about_the_war.php
http://pajamasmedia.com/xpress/victordavishanson/2007/07/08/war_and_peace_peace_and_war.php
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