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« on: January 30, 2011, 08:40:52 AM »
It's race morning and I need to pack up everything to go to Fargo today.

What's on your mind?
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« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2011, 09:38:24 AM »
its gonna be a nice cold race! BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!
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« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2011, 09:22:49 PM »
how was it?

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« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2011, 08:34:36 AM »
It was a good!
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« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2011, 10:48:47 PM »
Didn't we see this guy out riding on Saturday?  He's a fan of us on Facebook.

http://www.facebook.com/bsolem1
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« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2011, 08:42:52 PM »
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« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2011, 12:45:35 AM »
I suppose that depends on your definition of "local" and "economy"?

There's much more to it than that silly graphic. I generally hate those silly graphics too, because they cause people to think that they're getting ripped off or something when really it's just filtered information.
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« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2011, 09:54:01 PM »

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« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2011, 12:26:41 AM »
self defense... yeah right.   What a scumbag. 

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« Reply #10 on: March 01, 2011, 12:52:23 AM »
Not that its ever ok to ram someone with a car, but critical mass has gotten so out of hand that I wouldn't overlook the possibility of "self defense". That said, there are about 10 million levels of self defense that you could exercise before ramming that many people.
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« Reply #12 on: March 01, 2011, 12:42:35 PM »
Well 1st of all... there IS a mandatory helmet law in NYS, and has been since I was a teenager. Though I'm not really certain what it "requires" anymore because I always have one on, so I don't care.

2nd. All bikes are required to have lights on as well.

3rd. I'm not sure how identifying yourself as a cyclist will cause law enforcement to harass you more? That comment right there tells you about the individual writing this article.

4th. I'm not sure why people in one of the highest taxed states in the union, living in one of the highest taxed cities in the COUNTRY are surprised when a politician comes up with another way to tax you? Especially since the state is completely bankrupt, and their only saving grace (drilling for natural gas) has just been outlawed (by the politicians). So not only is the state broke, its also brokEN, and they've just committed financial suicide.
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« Reply #13 on: March 01, 2011, 01:27:35 PM »
#3, apparently there has been a serious police crackdown on cyclists in NYC, especially Central Park.  It's hard to tell from out here what is going on, but there seems to a lot of ill will toward cops who are cherry-picking cyclists who happen to roll through lights when the park is closed to vehicles and there are pedestrians crossing.  I'm in favor of ticketing people who break the road rules, but I think they might be focusing on the wrong area, probably because it's easier to catch people there than out on the street where people run red lights or salmon.
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« Reply #14 on: March 01, 2011, 11:34:46 PM »
Well... the thing is, people will always think they're being unfairly targeted. But its far more likely that the cyclists are in fact breaking the law. This is generally a problem, since cyclists have developed (this is a "we" statement, I don't want to sound like I'm not including myself in the cyclist subcat) an attitude that they get shat on by society constantly, they tend to get more upset when they're ticketed, and yet someone else isn't.

When a police officer pulls someone over for speeding for example, you'll not need a keen eye to notice that they likely weren't the only one speeding, so why are the other people not being pulled over as well? This is where being a mature adult comes in... as there's no "but they did it too" argument once you're over the age of 14.

All of that said, its very likely that the police are targeting cyclists. They (the police) know the city better than almost anyone, and I'm sure they've seen a relative population explosion in cycling on the last 5 years. Part of this is because people are getting into cycling for transportation in our generation more and more, but a much larger part of this is probably because "fixies" if you will, have become trendy. These "fixie" riders are the ones I envision as the main problem here, since stereotypically, they are the "anti-authority" type (how do you say hipster nicely?). More than that, they're probably riding ill equipped and downright dangerous bicycles (brakeless fixays, or improperly lit fixays). Thus setting them up for ticketing... see the cited law posted at the end***.

That said, "targeting cyclists" is no different than setting up a speed trap? If you choose to break the law, then you should be prepared to face the consequences? I feel like its that simple?

As you said though, it is difficult to know without being there. My good friend Carolyn is living in NYC now and she was an avid casual cyclist (read hipster wannabe)... I haven't heard anything from her, but I'm not certain if she's gotten up to the skill of riding there yet...

And lastly, the state (starting with the city) is bankrupt. The police want to keep their jobs. They're going to be "cracking down" aka earning their keep. But if you're following the laws, I don't see how they could have any reason to stop you?

***From the NYS Vehicle and Traffic Code.

§ 1236. Lamps and other equipment on bicycles.

(a) Every bicycle when in use during the period from one-half hour after sunset to one-half hour before sunrise shall be equipped with a lamp on the front which shall emit a white light visible during hours of darkness from a distance of at least five hundred feet to the front and with a red or amber light visible to the rear for three hundred feet. Effective July first, nineteen hundred seventy-six, at least one of these lights shall be visible for two hundred feet from each side.

(b) No person shall operate a bicycle unless it is equipped with a bell or other device capable of giving a signal audible for a distance of at least one hundred feet, except that a bicycle shall not be equipped with nor shall any person use upon a bicycle any siren or whistle.

(c) Every bicycle shall be equipped with a brake which will enable the operator to make the braked wheels skid on dry, level, clean pavement.

(d) Every new bicycle shall be equipped with reflective tires or, alternately a reflex reflector mounted on the spokes of each wheel, said tires and reflectors to be of types approved by the commissioner. The reflex reflector mounted on the front wheel shall be colorless or amber, and the reflex reflector mounted on the rear wheel shall be colorless or red.

(e) Every bicycle when in use during the period from one-half hour after sunset to one-half hour before sunrise shall be equipped with reflective devices or material meeting the standards established by rules and regulations promulgated by the commissioner; provided, however, that such standards shall not be inconsistent with or otherwise conflict with the requirements of subdivisions (a) and (d) of this section.
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« Reply #15 on: March 01, 2011, 11:35:38 PM »
The tl;dr version is.

They probably don't have brakes, or bells, or reflectors, so they're getting a ticket. It's not North Korea over here, the police can't just write you a ticket for no reason...
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« Reply #16 on: March 02, 2011, 08:37:33 AM »
self defense... yeah right.   What a scumbag. 
Aaaaagreed.

The tl;dr version is.

They probably don't have brakes, or bells, or reflectors, so they're getting a ticket. It's not North Korea over here, the police can't just write you a ticket for no reason...

I'm not really arguing against ticketing cyclists, in fact I'm a big advocate of the police treating cyclists as they do drivers and not just ignoring them if they (as is common in Grand Forks) salmon down the street without lights and then blow stop signs and lights.  My point is that I think the job of the police "to keep everyone safe" is conflicting with the job of the police "to help the city make money," and so they're setting up shop where they can easily ticket people who are a low risk to others rather than somewhere there is more danger and more impact on lawbreaking cyclists can be made.  Not everyone rides in central park, so even if they convince all those riders to follow the law, they're missing out on the rest of Manhattan (and the rest of the city).

Regarding those lights, are any of your lights visible from the side?  I hadn't seen a law like this before.  My rear flasher is slightly visible, but all I have similar to that is one of those green spokelights.
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« Reply #17 on: March 02, 2011, 03:09:28 PM »
Yes, the police protect people, but if the department is only losing money, then it will ultimately cease to exist. This happened in Buffalo with Erie County. The government was spending so frivolously that a control board ultimately had to step in. Amongst their proposals were to charge for 911 services. So there would be a flat fee to provide the service, and any time you actually DIALED 911, you would be charged a surcharge.

I see your points, but they're keeping people safe by making sure they're abiding by the laws set I suppose. Central park is a hotbed of problems too because a business man getting cut off by a "bike messenger" is no big deal, but when people are out jogging or inline skating and cyclists are being insane, then you're going to get complaints.

My superflash is visible from the sides. This is the law that mandates all those silly reflectors on your new bicycle. Which is why road bikes or any bike that is "high end" gets sold with a plastic insert in the clipless pedal that has a reflector in it. Well... at least here they do?
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« Reply #18 on: March 03, 2011, 04:15:13 PM »
http://ht.ly/46RM7

Still seems like he got off really easy, but atleast they found him and he got something...
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« Reply #19 on: March 03, 2011, 04:20:07 PM »
Did you hear about this last year?  I totally missed it.
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« Reply #20 on: March 03, 2011, 04:20:21 PM »
And check your email.
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« Reply #21 on: March 03, 2011, 04:22:12 PM »
already sent it.
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« Reply #22 on: March 03, 2011, 04:46:14 PM »
Crap, should have read this one first.  Oh well.
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« Reply #23 on: March 04, 2011, 08:08:23 PM »
http://outsideonline.com/adventure/travel-ga-201103-new-york-bike-commuting-sidwcmdev_154507.html

The whole article is a good read if you have a couple minutes i recommend checkin it out.

 Here is one snipit I took from the article I know we have discussed bike infrastructure before on the message board but this brings up some good points.

"In thinking about how to improve driver-cyclist relations in America, the easiest thing is to simply get more people on bikes. Growing up in the small Wisconsin town of Twin Lakes, Mionske notes, he "didn't see more than two road bikes in my entire childhood." Now, he jokes, "you've got packs of 40 guys riding around pissing people off." But with each new cyclist, he says, it's no longer "the Other; it's us."

Few American cities have done a better job of getting people on bikes than Portland, Oregon, where around 7 percent of the population bikes to work and children cycle to school in huge "bike trains." And yet, last year, like many recent years, no cyclist was killed. (By comparison, Tampa, Florida, a city where fewer than 1 percent of the population commutes by bike, had nine cyclist fatalities in four months in 2009.) Greg Raisman, a traffic-safety specialist with Portland's Bureau of Transportation, says one key to getting people biking is providing infrastructure—actual or symbolic. The city features "bicycle boulevards" and bike-only traffic signals, and it's planning new six-foot-wide bike lanes. It recently put some 2,100 "sharrows" bike symbols on 50 miles of residential streets. He says the symbols send messages to motorists and are, as many Portlanders have told him, changing "people's mental maps of the city."

"We need to get people to change the way they think about transportation," Raisman says. While all road users need to step up in terms of behavior, he believes, calling for cyclists to be licensed, as some critics have lately done, isn't the right place to start. "I recently got my driver's license renewed," he says. "They just asked me if my address was the same." Among the things he was not asked was whether he was aware of traffic-code changes like the 2007 Vulnerable Road User law or a new Oregon rule that makes it legal for cyclists to pass on the right so they can filter to the front past queues of cars stopped at traffic lights."

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« Reply #24 on: March 04, 2011, 08:49:39 PM »
I think I'm partway through reading the article in the magazine.  I think that last paragraph holds a very good point: why are we not retesting (on paper) drivers when they need their licenses renewed?  It could be something as simple as a pamphlet when you walk in the door, you read it while you wait in line, and you answer some softball questions--but at least it makes you understand that there have been some traffic law changes.

And DC's argument that we need multimodal transportation information pamphlets when you buy your parking pass at UND.
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« Reply #25 on: March 05, 2011, 01:17:31 AM »
The saddest part about life is simply growing up to understand the world.

There will NEVER be license retesting, because seniors VOTE! Driving in this country is more of a joke than the spandex wearing leg shaving cyclists getting mowed down every day.

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« Reply #26 on: March 05, 2011, 11:14:06 AM »
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There will NEVER be license retesting, because seniors VOTE!

I got "tagged" by an elderly lady this past summer so ya, you won't find me disagreeing with licence retesting.  This town seems especially bad.  Besides the lady that hit me (rolled a right turn on red, even after making eye contact with me),  I've seen elderly drivers MULTIPLE times driving down the wrong side of Demers... and that's a divided road!  You really have no further to look than the story this past summer of the 92 yr old who killed the motorcyclist.  I've been forced to hit the brakes in my vehicle because they switch lanes into me.  You honk and they are completely oblivious.   

I just hope that if I get to that stage in my life,  I'm not an ornery, hypocritical bastard and voluntarily stop driving.





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« Reply #27 on: March 05, 2011, 08:07:40 PM »
All my parents said the same thing. However there driving is HORRIBLE, and I told them that it was time to take a refresher, and they flipped out.
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« Reply #28 on: March 06, 2011, 03:11:52 PM »
Any of you go out on the greenway today?  Saw a bunch of tracks including a fatbike, some MTB, and perhaps a thinner 700c .  Nothing like making some fresh tracks in the snow!


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« Reply #29 on: March 06, 2011, 03:40:51 PM »
I suspect that the fat trax were Dave Sears (Godfather). Since he was debating whether or not he was well enough to go or not, and I don't even think he owns a bike without 4" tires on it? lol...
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« Reply #30 on: March 06, 2011, 04:08:08 PM »
However their driving is HORRIBLE

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« Reply #31 on: March 06, 2011, 05:35:39 PM »
These people plan on giving people the ol' one-two by having pamphlets called "Hate Cyclists?" laying around, and then when you open them up, BAM you get to read a story about someone who has died.

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« Reply #32 on: March 29, 2011, 07:34:02 PM »
There's a little bit about Buffalo in this one...

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« Reply #33 on: March 29, 2011, 08:43:58 PM »
umm, interesting topic. This is part of the reason i want to get more into the transportation engineering side of civil. but there are parts of transportation engineering that i don't really want to deal with also...would be cool to be able to implement this though
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« Reply #34 on: March 29, 2011, 09:33:13 PM »
fwiw... its not strictly true that you can't see lake erie from Buffalo. Because you very clearly can. However for some reason (Robert Moses (as mentioned)) decided to rip out one of the greatest parks ever created (Part of the olmstead park system) and put in the 33. The 33 is rather useful... but my dad complains about it alot. And it is now essentially the division of the city... The skyway sucks. Always has, always will, and with our newfound resurgence to our waterfront, it has become the #1 target. Plus... it really doesn't go anywhere at all?
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« Reply #36 on: March 31, 2011, 01:00:57 PM »
With graduation approaching this summer and the thoughts of FINALLY making some real money... I foresee a new bike on the horizon. 

I was thinking long and hard last night about what I wanted.  A road bike would be great, however, if you give me the option of taking the road vs the road less traveled, I would choose the latter.  Perhaps my favorite trip I've done so far was to the Pembina Gorge last summer.  Lots of gravel roads + double track ATV trails.   My 26" MTB got the job done ok but usually by the time I get to mile 20 or so, comfortableness starts dropping.  With the wind almost always present out here, drop bars would be nice.

After browsing the internets I stumbled upon the Salsa Fargo frame.  http://salsacycles.com/bikes/farg/   Seems almost exactly what I want.  With wider tires, it would be perfect for the off-road adventures of this area.  With a pair of slicks, however, you're set for racing  around on the pavement, greenway, etc.

Thoughts?  Are there other frame only options out there I could go with that you guys are aware of?


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« Reply #37 on: April 01, 2011, 05:21:52 PM »
OU Search for CX or Cyclocross bikes. There are dozens of frames out there... I've recently had experience with the Raleigh One Way, and the All City Nature Boy.

Finding a "road bike" (aka cross bike) to go off road is no problem, finding one to go on road is no problem, finding one that has what you want on it is tricky... in terms of fenders, rack mounts, chainguards etc...
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« Reply #38 on: April 02, 2011, 12:50:44 PM »
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Finding a "road bike" (aka cross bike) to go off road is no problem, finding one to go on road is no problem, finding one that has what you want on it is tricky... in terms of fenders, rack mounts, chainguards etc...

For real - the Fargo is  tour oriented as it has bazillions of mounts for things.  It seems to me that steel might be the way to go for these cross type frames?  I'm a bigger guy so I'd be skeptical of the durability of carbon, etc.  Not to mention these push the price up quite a bit.  I suppose aluminum is always a possibility like my current MTB but I would imagine the durability isn't as high as the steel. 

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« Reply #39 on: April 02, 2011, 03:25:06 PM »
Firstly, you'll hear many a things about material durability.

All of them have their strengths and weaknesses.

Carbon is easily the strongest. EASILY. But in a crash, I'd be wary of riding it again without having it inspected fully by a professional. I know people who have been KILLED by riding carbon bicycles that had some sort of structural compromise that wasn't inspected properly, and their bicycles folded up on them at the worst possible moment. Granted... that's a rather extreme circumstance.

Aluminum is great because it doesn't rust, and it's strong and lightweight... you'll notice this by standing on top of an empty pop can and noting that it will support your weight easily. But once someone dents the side, it will instantly crumple.

Steel is the heaviest, it rusts, and is generally mushier. But it's a little more resilliant. That should be read as forgiving. Steel is a workable metal. So you can bend things back and ride with some damage that would compromise another frame type (generally). Though I wouldn't really ride a frame that is dented, because steel is just as susceptable to folding up on you that aluminum is.

What I would suggest is... reading THIS article: http://sheldonbrown.com/frame-materials.html (also available in our resource thread btw) read it THOROUGHLY and COMPLETELY and UNDERSTAND that Sheldon Brown is regarded almost unanimously as THE authority on bicycles. There are a couple more articles at the end of that one. I suggest looking through those as well.

In short... once you realize that your biggest concern should be finding a bicycle with the correct geometry for your purpose. You'll end up with a bicycle that fits you, is comfortable, compliant when it needs to be, yet sharp when it needs to be. I can tell you that the BEST bicycle that I have EVER ridden was a hydroformed aluminum bicycle (read: generally stiff and painful (you'll know better if you read that article I posted)) and it was EASILY by far and away the BEST bicycle frame I have ever owned. In fact, even though I crashed very badly and wrecked the from completely, I still keep the frame. I'm hoping that someday someone will invent some technological wonder that can repair it :) .

Seriously though. The FRAME is the most important piece of the puzzle. Material is only one VERY small component of the process. If you get a frame that is designed properly for YOU, you'll find a bike you'll have forever. I can tell you that I'm still looking for such a bicycle and I'm no rookie either. I've owned (off the top of my head) 11 bicycles since that one amazing bicycle (1999 Marin Juniper Trail in case you were wondering) in all materials except carbon (though I've ridden a few carbon bikes), and I'm STILL looking for something that is even half as close to perfect as that one was.

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« Reply #40 on: April 02, 2011, 03:27:41 PM »
Sorry... cx is not touring, and touring is not cx just to clarify because I think I may have confused you. CX is a form of racing, and touring is touring. Touring frames will have generally more slack geometry for more comfort, but be less "zippy" than a racing bike. FWIW, my Raleigh One Way is set up for cx because despite Raleigh selling it as a single speed touring bicycle, it is a cross bike. It has the same geometry as their cx racing frame (the carbon one AND the sscxwc steel one).

edit: THIS is the one way I have...



I was going to post a pic of how mine is set up, but Facebook is completely useless now and you can't link photos anymore. Rest assured... it's a racing bicycle though.
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« Reply #41 on: April 02, 2011, 07:58:23 PM »
Thanks for the reading material!   I think the frame is the current reason why I feel the need for another bike.  Are there any resources (webpages) that offer a general comparison of  frame geometries for touring vs. cx vs. mtb, 29er mtb etc. ?   To be honest, all I really notice at this point is the height of the seat vs. handlebars.   With my 26" MTB,  the ride is more upright, presumably because this gives you better handling when navigating trails etc.  More of the weight seems shifted towards your rear and you are more likely to be riding with your ass off the seat. 

I assume with touring frames, you sit higher, leaning  over more so more weight is up towards the front.

 I've heard of dropbars for MTBs... are there frames with geometries geared towards xc mountain biking?




 






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« Reply #42 on: April 02, 2011, 09:29:03 PM »
Almost everything you just typed is "wrong".

An MTB is generally a more upright position than a road bike because of the variance in terrain. Any good MTBer will shift his weight a TON while riding. If you ride in "dirt drops" (thats what drop bars on an MTB are called btw, but they're slightly modified over regular road bars) you generally don't see front suspension on there, and thats because the stability of the bike would be really crappy under compression (stability in terms of a balance between control and traction).

Referring to saddle to bar drop, you'll generally find a racing bicycle (on or off road) with a more aggressive position versus something designed for touring or comfort. MOST mountain bikes will be setup for comfort until you get to about the $1000 marker.

The reason that your MTB is more upright than your touring bike is because it probably is more upright.

This is what a race geometry XC MTB looks like, and you'll notice that the position is nearly as aggressive as a racing geometry road bicycle.





This can be compared to bikes designed for more recreational use in the same genre's from the same company...



But that's sort of an apples to oranges comparison.

In terms of the differences in geometry between the types of frames... I'm not sure there's a good (or short) answer. Sheldon's site is where I'd start. Unfortunately... since he recently passed away, it's sort of cluttered. While the information is certainly there, it's cumbersome to navigate. But I urge you to find something on that site that isn't fascinating.

Other than that, the reason that the answer is long is because there are no standards for geometry, in the same way that there are no standards for the human body. Some road bikes have a short top tube and a long seat tube, and some for the same purpose have the opposite. The most direct answer that I'd be comfortable giving you is to refer to HTA or Head tube Angle. Generally, you'll find a more slack HTA for a more comfort oriented bicycle, but we're talking tenth's of degrees here. Maybe two whole degrees at the MOST, and even this is bad info because a savvy cyclist will look at HTA to help determine toe overlap, and turning circles. But this AGAIN (sorry) gets murky because of fork rake. Believe me when I say though, ALL of this is so far beyond what you should be MOST concerned with, that it's largely just me spouting off bike knowledge for your future reference.

In the end, let me be the first to tell you, you can find your DREAM bicycle on paper, build it with the greatest spec'd parts, and wheels and get it all assembled only to find out that you hate it. I would say that it definitely pays dividends to understand frame geo and the tech related to it, but don't stress over it.

My point with that was you should ride a bunch of different bicycles until you find something that you enjoy. Parts can be changed. Frame geo can't really (well... it can, but thats a whole nother can of worms)  :evil6:

Start by going to the shop in GFK and just ask them to ride a couple of different bicycles. Make sure you write down the year make and model of the bike (get yourself fitted by going to wrenchscience.com first BTW) and then remember which ones you liked the best and why. Goto the respective websites for that manufacturer and find that bike (again year, make, model) and see what the geo is. Compare the geo's with the one's you didn't like and use your brain (and ours) to help determine what you may or may not have liked and why. Then expand your search by looking for more frames, but with similar types of geometry.

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« Reply #43 on: April 02, 2011, 09:33:50 PM »
I just searched btw and found some seemingly interesting frame type comparisons. Though I'm not sure if you'll care to delve into the nerdiness that they'll offer.

1. http://djconnel.blogspot.com/2009/09/bike-geometry-comparison.html
2. http://gearinches.com/blog/misc/bike-geometry-comparator
3. This one isn't as good... but it has a video? http://www.coolbiking.com/blog/cycling/road-bike/bicycle-frame-geometry-101/
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« Reply #44 on: April 02, 2011, 11:34:15 PM »
OK, so moral of the story, my Trek 4500 MTB is probably on the more comfortable end of things, so I need to toughen up and perhaps get some padded shorts.  That still leaves me wanting a bike with larger tires...  thanks for all of the links and info.  This is why I'm asking now so I can do plenty of research beforehand. 

As far as the dirt drops go, couldn't you use the drops for the more boring terrain, then use the top of the bar for technical areas (and still take advantage of suspension and an upright riding position)?  On my 4500 for example, I often enable the suspension lock out to prevent the suspension from traveling if I'm commuting, riding on the greenway, etc.  It's during rides like these I wish I had a lower hand position. 


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« Reply #45 on: April 03, 2011, 01:32:48 AM »
Many people do use and like dirt drops. The biggest problems you're going to run into is what sort of cockpit layout you want. If you decide to use brifters or pods. Some are only going to work with a flat bar, and some are only going to work with drops.

I cut my teeth racing MTB and I can tell you that I would never use drops, nor have I ever wanted to use drops. There's just too much moving around on the bike, and I wouldn't want to move my hands from the hoods to the tops to the drops ever because of the risk of losing control. But riding on road is different, and this is why you end up spending time looking into all of these ridiculous details.

As far as ur 4500. It is essentially a mass market bicycle. Meaning... yes, you can certainly off road it, and the frame is well built, but it is certainly getting sold to people that will never take it off road (think like an SUV) as opposed to a "real" (forgive the term) mountain bike that would be like an ACTUAL off road vehicle.

About your saddle. First you should CERTAINLY be riding in bicycle shorts. If they weren't worth their weight in gold, we wouldn't all be walking around in spandex. Simple as that.

But other such things as frame, tire choice, tire pressure, forks, seatpost, and saddle will ALL play a factor in your comfort, especially on your ischial tuberosities (sit bones). Again... I'll direct you to the late great Sheldon Brown for another (shorter) article on saddles and WHY almost every inexperienced cyclist complains about a lack of comfort even though they have a saddle with more cushioning than a memory foam mattress! http://sheldonbrown.com/saddles.html

And to reiterate, I welcome your questions (or anyone else's for that matter) on such topics.
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« Reply #46 on: April 06, 2011, 09:50:41 PM »
See, they do hold alleycats in other places than NYC and Grand Forks, and it's not just hipsters doing them: http://www.clifbar.com/blog/detail/clif_bars_and_new_belgium_brews_at_the_urban_assault_ride_in_tucson/
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« Reply #47 on: April 06, 2011, 10:23:57 PM »
Well now that it's "old" and "played out" other people can do them. :lol:
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« Reply #49 on: April 07, 2011, 08:01:08 AM »
lolz
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« Reply #51 on: April 12, 2011, 09:00:33 AM »
niceee!
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« Reply #52 on: April 16, 2011, 11:51:28 AM »
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« Reply #53 on: April 17, 2011, 01:18:04 AM »
I agree with most of what that article says actually. That said... he walks a fine line by saying that people are in control of their vehicles when they speed. While he is "technically" correct, people literally have no idea about how to operate their cars properly, why its bad to text and drive, or any number of other things that should be complete common sense.

That said, people DEFINITELY will choose a speed on the traffic conditions and road conditions. No one is doing 20 on university, and I would regularly do 50 on whatever that road is past the alerus. Why? Because it's a 5 lane highway!

As I've stated numerous times, I wish that people would take driving more serious. Everyone always talks about how much they want the government out of their face. Well... maybe you should take some responsibility for your actions then? I certainly don't think people need to get any type of a pilots license for a car... but at least make it so that you need to learn something aside from what each pedal in an automatic does.
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« Reply #54 on: April 30, 2011, 09:10:33 PM »
Cycling prank video I mentioned today...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ur4U5UekTM



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« Reply #55 on: May 01, 2011, 12:50:47 AM »
Cycling prank video I mentioned today...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ur4U5UekTM




I feel like someone posted this before but its such gold! GOLD!
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« Reply #56 on: May 01, 2011, 04:53:21 PM »
really sorry I couldnt participate in the festivities this weekend.  Having like 2 weeks to graduation really put the crunch on things.  To try to make it up to you all, I found this for you...

3 gears of single speed....sit, stand, walk.

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« Reply #57 on: May 01, 2011, 04:55:08 PM »
how do i get a pain cave like this?
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« Reply #58 on: May 01, 2011, 07:17:35 PM »
That's my "I have all this stress about the race weekend to deal with but I don't care because I'm RACING, baby!" expression.
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« Reply #59 on: May 01, 2011, 08:57:45 PM »
What happened to all the leg/arm warmers?
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« Reply #60 on: May 01, 2011, 11:13:18 PM »
I didn't get leg warmers and I had a shirt on under two jerseys rather than arm warmers.  You can see the photos of everyone else rocking the full kit.
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« Reply #61 on: May 02, 2011, 01:34:00 AM »
Future reference... you guys need to coordinate uniform uniforms. Jordan and logan had leg warmers on different legs.
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« Reply #62 on: May 02, 2011, 11:39:42 AM »
Friend took a picture of this creation at UPENN:




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« Reply #64 on: May 09, 2011, 11:06:28 AM »
That sucks. But unfortunately... thats part of racing.
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« Reply #65 on: May 09, 2011, 08:16:15 PM »
:(


In other news. this movie looks totally sick
http://chasinglegends.com/
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« Reply #66 on: May 11, 2011, 05:30:32 PM »
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« Reply #67 on: May 12, 2011, 08:26:15 AM »
Wow, didn't realize you'd get so excited when I told you that...:P
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« Reply #69 on: June 09, 2011, 10:52:39 PM »
Haha... living in Tax York does suck.
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« Reply #70 on: June 26, 2011, 01:19:56 PM »
As seen on the aunt's facebook:   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIuGlk0O0fA

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« Reply #71 on: August 02, 2011, 03:31:19 PM »
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« Reply #72 on: August 03, 2011, 01:47:57 AM »
who are these people and why haven't they hooked up with us!?
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« Reply #74 on: August 19, 2011, 09:16:30 AM »
I was about to tell somebody (UND or the City?) that the bike lanes badly needed new striping.  On the commute in today, this appears to have been done.  Unfortunately, they striped the lane to half its width heading westbound past the coulee.  Not sure what it's like going eastbound.


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« Reply #75 on: August 19, 2011, 10:01:15 AM »
I was about to tell somebody (UND or the City?) that the bike lanes badly needed new striping.  On the commute in today, this appears to have been done.  Unfortunately, they striped the lane to half its width heading westbound past the coulee.  Not sure what it's like going eastbound.

Nooooo!  At least this must mean they aren't going to chip-and-seal all of University right before school starts this year. 

What I wish they would do next is add a through bike lane at the University/Columbia intersection.
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« Reply #76 on: August 19, 2011, 10:18:23 AM »
Perhaps a goal of the club this year is to come up with a list of recommendations to give to the city regarding bike issues? 

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« Reply #77 on: August 19, 2011, 10:53:12 AM »
Perhaps a goal of the club this year is to come up with a list of recommendations to give to the city regarding bike issues? 
An admirable goal, to be sure.  With luck there will be just as many people interested in advocacy as there are in just riding bicycles, if only for the sake of symmetry.
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« Reply #78 on: August 24, 2011, 07:14:48 PM »
FYI I contacted the U. police and they should be putting out a statement about the rules of the bike lane (i.e. proper direction).   Friend saw a cyclist hit yesterday who was traveling the wrong direction.  I had to dodge quite a few delinquents today. 

What's the deal on the Felt Bikes?

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« Reply #81 on: September 28, 2011, 08:42:25 AM »
WHY DO PEOPLE NOT TALK TO US ABOUT THESE THINGS???
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« Reply #82 on: September 28, 2011, 08:58:26 AM »
I'm going to try and go to the meeting.  Obviously there is some sort of exposure issue for the club?

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« Reply #83 on: September 28, 2011, 10:04:57 AM »
Honestly, I think it's because we bill ourselves as a fun/racing club rather than an advocacy club.  We've never had the numbers of interested people needed to have a voice in these sorts of things.

Glad you can try to go to the meeting.  This could be huge for marketing cycling (or running, or lollerblading) as a viable activity for people in Grand Forks and in Thompson.
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« Reply #84 on: September 29, 2011, 08:07:54 AM »
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« Reply #85 on: October 02, 2011, 11:28:50 PM »
Upping the ante on traditional electric-assist bikes...

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=1ce_1317500912

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« Reply #86 on: November 16, 2011, 05:48:51 PM »
http://velonews.competitor.com/2011/11/news/bicycle-friendly-stickers-—-a-campaign-worth-backing_198069?utm_source=OutboundLinkFromTwitter&utm_medium=OutboundLinkFromTwitter&utm_campaign=http://velonews.competitor.com/2011/11/news/bicycle-friendly-stickers-%e2%80%94-a-campaign-worth-backing_198069
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« Reply #87 on: December 12, 2011, 02:43:01 PM »
Apparently there has been a rash of bike vandalism on U. of Oklahoma's campus.  The culprits have targeted bicycle seats...


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Re: Chat!
« Reply #88 on: December 12, 2011, 03:19:49 PM »
Om nom nom nom . . .
JUST EXTRA POLISH. I DO SOME WORK WITH EXCELL SO I KEEP THE CAPS LOCK ON :-P

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Re: Chat!
« Reply #89 on: December 18, 2011, 10:21:20 AM »
does anyone have or know anyone looking to get sell a pair of studded 26' bicycle tires? Would prefer to buy used if possible. Thanks

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« Last Edit: January 15, 2012, 09:05:13 PM by Sal Atticum »
JUST EXTRA POLISH. I DO SOME WORK WITH EXCELL SO I KEEP THE CAPS LOCK ON :-P

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Re: Chat!
« Reply #91 on: January 25, 2012, 10:18:14 PM »

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Re: Chat!
« Reply #93 on: February 23, 2012, 10:52:11 AM »
Spinning topic as of late:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPowpIRVOuY

[Translation To English:]

The hell of north Paris-Roubaix,
The Cote d'Azur and Saint Tropez
The Alps and the Pyrennees
Last stage Champs-Elysees
Galibier and Tourmalet
Dancing to the top
Bycicling at high gear
Final sprint at the finish
Flat tire on the paving stones
The bike is repaired quickly
The peloton is regrouped
Comrades and friendship


And the whole album they put out of the same title:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99gznekEOHA&feature=fvst
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Re: Chat!
« Reply #94 on: February 23, 2012, 11:05:08 AM »
wow . . .  :wtf:
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Re: Chat!
« Reply #95 on: February 26, 2012, 10:31:34 AM »
playing with the kid, had some PBS on in the background and this came on:

http://www.allterrainbrain.org/ATBIDetail.aspx?id=1

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Re: Chat!
« Reply #96 on: February 26, 2012, 11:04:23 AM »
interesting?
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« Reply #97 on: February 26, 2012, 11:48:09 AM »
Sounds like a good message to me!
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« Reply #98 on: February 27, 2012, 10:02:33 AM »
Logan gots skillz


ENDit2012_063 by ENDvolunteer, on Flickr
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« Reply #99 on: February 27, 2012, 02:40:39 PM »
love that photo! haha thanks ted
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Re: Chat!
« Reply #101 on: March 07, 2012, 05:10:47 PM »
Check out this "helmet": http://www.hovding.com/en/how

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« Reply #102 on: March 08, 2012, 01:40:54 PM »
"It never gets easier, you just get faster" - Greg Lemond

 

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