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Title: Banning Tobacco On-Campus
Post by: zman on May 14, 2007, 03:43:20 PM
So what does everyone think about banning tobacco on campus.  I know MSUM just did it and I believe UND and NDSU are both thinking about it.

Personally I think it should be done because of the health issues relating to second hand smoke.  I would have no problem with them setting up smoking huts or something.

There has been some discussion of this at http://www.in-forum.com/talk/index.cfm?id=1996

Post and debate  ;D

Title: Re: Banning Tobacco On-Campus
Post by: Sal Atticum on May 14, 2007, 03:49:45 PM
UND will begin its 'smoking ban' in October.  They don't have the ability to enforce it, but they want everyone to know that they think smoking is bad.

I think it's kind of a dumb thing, but it would be nice to walk into or out of a building and not have to breathe smoke.  As for other tobacco, hey, if you want to mess yourself up, go right ahead as long as it doesn't affect me.
Title: Re: Banning Tobacco On-Campus
Post by: zman on May 14, 2007, 03:51:32 PM
UND will begin its 'smoking ban' in October.  They don't have the ability to enforce it, but they want everyone to know that they think smoking is bad.

I think it's kind of a dumb thing, but it would be nice to walk into or out of a building and not have to breathe smoke.  As for other tobacco, hey, if you want to mess yourself up, go right ahead as long as it doesn't affect me.

Well they need to find a way to enforce it?

Well I only have a problem with the tobacco that is smoked and blown into people's faces.
Title: Re: Banning Tobacco On-Campus
Post by: Sal Atticum on May 14, 2007, 03:53:10 PM
They can't afford to enforce it, so what most people figure is they are going to take away all the ashtray thingers outside, put up some signs, and watch people throw their butts on the ground.
Title: Re: Banning Tobacco On-Campus
Post by: zman on May 14, 2007, 03:54:50 PM
They can't afford to enforce it, so what most people figure is they are going to take away all the ashtray thingers outside, put up some signs, and watch people throw their butts on the ground.

lame  :tard:

I know a lot of other campuses have banned it and you dont see these problems, I wonder what they did differently.
Title: Re: Banning Tobacco On-Campus
Post by: Sal Atticum on May 14, 2007, 08:24:10 PM
The thing you hear up here is that
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if you want to breathe clean air, you'd better move out of Grand Forks anyway, so what's a little more smoke in your face going to do to you?

Which I think is dumb.
Title: Re: Banning Tobacco On-Campus
Post by: SoonerNSioux on May 14, 2007, 11:36:23 PM
Second hand trans-fats from simplot?  :D
Title: Re: Banning Tobacco On-Campus
Post by: ajekt on May 15, 2007, 01:12:54 PM
The thing you hear up here is that
Which I think is dumb.

That is pretty stupid

Second hand trans-fats from simplot?  :D

haha  ;D
Title: Re: Banning Tobacco On-Campus
Post by: Sal Atticum on May 15, 2007, 01:18:40 PM
Second hand trans-fats from simplot?  :D

Ugh.  Now I really don't feel like going outside when the wind is blowing the wrong way . . .  :puke:
Title: Re: Banning Tobacco On-Campus
Post by: JakeJZG on August 02, 2007, 05:38:55 AM
It's a complete waste of time (considering it's unenforced) and will anger 70% of the University staff...who smoke.
Title: Re: Banning Tobacco On-Campus
Post by: pmp6nl on August 02, 2007, 10:51:56 AM
Should it be enforced?
Title: Re: Banning Tobacco On-Campus
Post by: zman on August 02, 2007, 11:27:37 AM
Enforce it.  My lungs are tired of the toxins!
Title: Re: Banning Tobacco On-Campus
Post by: JakeJZG on August 02, 2007, 03:42:46 PM
I personally don't care - but if they are going to make a rule at least enforce it.  Blowharding unenforced rules just annoys me.  Better things can be done! 
Title: Re: Banning Tobacco On-Campus
Post by: Sal Atticum on August 02, 2007, 07:38:44 PM
I wish they would enforce it, but I don't like how the university police have the power they do anyway.
Title: Re: Banning Tobacco On-Campus
Post by: Admiral Ackbar on August 02, 2007, 07:59:38 PM
It doesn't really bother me, as long as people smoke not right next to the door.  I'm pretty easy.
Title: Re: Banning Tobacco On-Campus
Post by: pmp6nl on August 02, 2007, 08:01:28 PM
It doesn't really bother me, as long as people smoke not right next to the door.  I'm pretty easy.

That is a favorite of many... especially when it is cold outside.
Title: Re: Banning Tobacco On-Campus
Post by: ajekt on August 02, 2007, 09:38:09 PM
Some stupid prick blew smoke into my face when I was walking down the sidewalk the other day.  I wish I had some gum to spit in their hair.
Title: Re: Banning Tobacco On-Campus
Post by: JakeJZG on August 02, 2007, 09:39:59 PM
Some stupid prick blew smoke into my face when I was walking down the sidewalk the other day.  I wish I had some gum to spit in their hair.
Seek medication.
Title: Re: Banning Tobacco On-Campus
Post by: ajekt on August 02, 2007, 09:40:49 PM
Why?

Is it ok for them to do that purposedly?
Title: Re: Banning Tobacco On-Campus
Post by: Admiral Ackbar on August 24, 2007, 05:25:25 PM
I just got an email about this today.  It just seems funny to me that it doesn't really mean anything.

Quote from: JakeJZG
I personally don't care - but if they are going to make a rule at least enforce it.  Blowharding unenforced rules just annoys me.  Better things can be done! 

Like what?

Quote from: soonernsiou
Second hand trans-fats from simplot?
How often do we get really bad smell days?  I hear it sucks .........
Title: Re: Banning Tobacco On-Campus
Post by: JakeJZG on August 25, 2007, 03:20:12 PM
Why?

Is it ok for them to do that purposedly?

It's as nice as spitting gum in their hair.  You are supposed to be the bigger person@! :)
Title: Re: Banning Tobacco On-Campus
Post by: ajekt on September 02, 2007, 12:07:59 PM
I am the bigger person, it is an expression of how I feel.
Title: Re: Banning Tobacco On-Campus
Post by: Red on September 24, 2007, 02:21:23 AM
I'm just pleased that there is finally a rule at this university that is harder on the faculty than the students.  And I can not wait to raise hell about every faculty member I catch smoking.
Title: Re: Banning Tobacco On-Campus
Post by: pmp6nl on September 24, 2007, 03:25:47 AM
I'm just pleased that there is finally a rule at this university that is harder on the faculty than the students.  And I can not wait to raise hell about every faculty member I catch smoking.

Have fun ;)
Title: Re: Banning Tobacco On-Campus
Post by: JakeJZG on September 24, 2007, 03:51:01 AM
I'm just pleased that there is finally a rule at this university that is harder on the faculty than the students.  And I can not wait to raise hell about every faculty member I catch smoking.

Have fun ;)

Yeesh - I try to make friends with faculty.  I must be going about it all wrong!
Title: Re: Banning Tobacco On-Campus
Post by: Kristine on September 24, 2007, 12:04:26 PM
The smoking ban at VCSU will be in effect starting January 1, 2008...like every other school I think we're just hoping removal of the disposal containers and some random sign posting will be enough "enforcement" :-\   --- We'll see how that goes...
Title: Re: Banning Tobacco On-Campus
Post by: JakeJZG on September 24, 2007, 01:00:32 PM
The smoking ban at VCSU will be in effect starting January 1, 2008...like every other school I think we're just hoping removal of the disposal containers and some random sign posting will be enough "enforcement" :-\   --- We'll see how that goes...

I'll bet the janitorial staff will appreciate the cigarette butts on the ground.
Title: Re: Banning Tobacco On-Campus
Post by: pmp6nl on September 24, 2007, 05:21:34 PM

I'll bet the janitorial staff will appreciate the cigarette butts on the ground.

Humm.  It will add to all of those already there  ;)
Title: Re: Banning Tobacco On-Campus
Post by: JakeJZG on September 24, 2007, 05:30:05 PM

I'll bet the janitorial staff will appreciate the cigarette butts on the ground.

Humm.  It will add to all of those already there  ;)
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The word additional should have been in my post!
Title: Re: Banning Tobacco On-Campus
Post by: Red on September 25, 2007, 11:59:28 PM
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Yeesh - I try to make friends with faculty.  I must be going about it all wrong!


That has yet to work for me.
Title: Re: Banning Tobacco On-Campus
Post by: Sal Atticum on September 26, 2007, 08:37:33 AM
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Yeesh - I try to make friends with faculty.  I must be going about it all wrong!



That has yet to work for me.

I like to think I can be treated as a colleague by faculty, but that would fall through in any case if they decided they had to quit work every half hour to go light up.

Has anyone else heard about the "smoke in" they're having in protest when the ban kicks in?
Title: Re: Banning Tobacco On-Campus
Post by: JakeJZG on September 26, 2007, 08:42:57 AM
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Yeesh - I try to make friends with faculty.  I must be going about it all wrong!

I haven't, but I might smoke a cigar if I knew where it was!  I want to piss people off.


That has yet to work for me.

I like to think I can be treated as a colleague by faculty, but that would fall through in any case if they decided they had to quit work every half hour to go light up.

Has anyone else heard about the "smoke in" they're having in protest when the ban kicks in?
Title: Re: Banning Tobacco On-Campus
Post by: tetsujin on September 26, 2007, 10:12:40 AM
Heh, I still think it is funny that they are basing our whole smoking ban on hope.

And if they have a smoke in I would bring a fire extinguisher and spray them and say, "I was told where there is smoke there is fire!" and run away.

Cameron
Title: Re: Banning Tobacco On-Campus
Post by: Red on September 26, 2007, 11:53:07 AM


Has anyone else heard about the "smoke in" they're having in protest when the ban kicks in?

Where did you hear about this smoke in?  I would be interested in finding out more.
Title: Re: Banning Tobacco On-Campus
Post by: Sal Atticum on September 26, 2007, 12:05:42 PM
I heard about it on Facebook.  The link is http://nodak.facebook.com/event.php?eid=4792008733
Title: Re: Banning Tobacco On-Campus
Post by: pmp6nl on September 26, 2007, 01:50:56 PM
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And if they have a smoke in I would bring a fire extinguisher and spray them and say, "I was told where there is smoke there is fire!" and run away.


haha  ;D
Title: Re: Banning Tobacco On-Campus
Post by: Red on September 26, 2007, 03:01:07 PM
Aside from the littering aspect, I think this smoking ban is nonsense.  If UND cared about health it wouldn’t force feed deep fried potatoes stuffed with cheese to every dorm student with a mandatory meal plan.  And they wouldn’t serve pasta drowning in Alfredo and nachos at 1030 at night.  But the arguments by this Facebook group are just so weak, it really makes me sad.


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Join us in our battle against the unfair policies being imposed upon us by the University of North Dakota! Smokers have rights too.

Smoking is not a right, not in a restaurant in Grand Forks, soon not to be in a bar in Minnesota, and no longer here at UND.  Just as it is not a right to drink alcohol in the dorms or hold demonstrations during getting started week, smoking on campus is not protected.

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Compromises such as not smoking withing 20 feet of a doorway are acceptable, but the complete ban of smoking on campus is excessive and we need to make our opinions known!

If it was so acceptable then why did you continue to violate the University’s polices?  Every building on campus has a posted sign on the window that says no smoking within 20 feet of a building entrance and yet you people are stacked up in front of Gamble on all sides, the faculty are constantly huddled right next to the back door of Twamley, and you cant drive by a dorm without masses of smokers blocking the entrances in a big smoke circle.  Face it.  UND tried to get you away from the buildings and out of everyone’s faces but you scoffed at them.  You proved the reasonable policy ineffective, so now the next “acceptable” step is to ban smoking.

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Friday October 5, 2007 we shall gather outside of the Memorial Union and breathe deeply the sweet taste of freedom! JOIN US!

And surely break the 20 foot rule.  You will stand there and subject others to your smoking, while claiming you don’t, and you will break the law by tossing your disgusting buts on the ground to display what truly revolting slobs you people really are.  I hope that not only are you cited for smoking, but fined for littering as well.  You people turn the world into your dumpster simply because you are to lazy to throw your cigarettes away when you are done with them and its high time it came back to bite you in the ass. 

So have fun with your protest, exercise your freedom now when you can change nothing, instead of protesting at the senate meeting that gave student body approval to the ban.  Stand outside of the Union and prove to the administrators what a great idea this really is.
Title: Re: Banning Tobacco On-Campus
Post by: pmp6nl on September 26, 2007, 03:09:52 PM
Well I suppose they have poor arguments because thats all there is.  There really arent any great arguments against the ban are there?  All they flaunt about are their rights.  Well my rights are that I dont have to breathe smoke and get cancer.

..Also, I am almost positive that state and federal laws prohibit smoking within so many feet of federal and state buildings ... IE: almost all buildings on campus.
Title: Re: Banning Tobacco On-Campus
Post by: JakeJZG on October 02, 2007, 09:20:52 AM
Well I suppose they have poor arguments because thats all there is.  There really arent any great arguments against the ban are there?  All they flaunt about are their rights.  Well my rights are that I dont have to breathe smoke and get cancer.

..Also, I am almost positive that state and federal laws prohibit smoking within so many feet of federal and state buildings ... IE: almost all buildings on campus.

While it may be within their power to limit smoking on public property, I don't see where the government derives the right to dictate such terms to private businesses. 
Title: Re: Banning Tobacco On-Campus
Post by: pmp6nl on October 02, 2007, 11:01:40 PM

While it may be within their power to limit smoking on public property, I don't see where the government derives the right to dictate such terms to private businesses. 

Well I guess they relate it to how smoking has a negative effect on health which can lead higher costs (health etc.) for the nation as a whole?

...Are you saying the university is a private business (I was just following the general conversation about the bans at campuses)
Title: Re: Banning Tobacco On-Campus
Post by: JakeJZG on October 03, 2007, 04:12:14 PM

While it may be within their power to limit smoking on public property, I don't see where the government derives the right to dictate such terms to private businesses. 

Well I guess they relate it to how smoking has a negative effect on health which can lead higher costs (health etc.) for the nation as a whole?

...Are you saying the university is a private business (I was just following the general conversation about the bans at campuses)

I was referring to businesses, not a state run institution that has absolutely no right (VIA the Bill of Rights) to also ban firearms to any length.

Also, I believe in letting people do what they want.  This is like creating Free Speech Zones.
Title: Re: Banning Tobacco On-Campus
Post by: Sal Atticum on October 03, 2007, 04:43:56 PM
We should put up signs that say "Free Speech Zone" around campus.
Title: Re: Banning Tobacco On-Campus
Post by: JakeJZG on October 04, 2007, 03:11:00 PM
We should put up signs that say "Free Speech Zone" around campus.

Hahahaha - but Bush isn't here to make us not have free speech!  It would be inappropriate!
Title: Re: Banning Tobacco On-Campus
Post by: Sal Atticum on October 04, 2007, 03:19:17 PM
I think it might make people think. 

It's sort of along the lines of that "Suggestion Box" that someone made a book out of a few years ago.  These guys wandered around NYC with a big cardboard box that said "Suggestions" and gave people cards to write suggestions down on.  People ended up writing things like "Free french fries on Tuesday" and "Give peace a chance" and "Don't walk up to strange people on the subway" etc.

It makes you think.  It wouldn't be a "free speech zone" sensu stricto, but it could remind people that they can do what they want and not necessarily what they are told to do.
Title: Re: Banning Tobacco On-Campus
Post by: pmp6nl on October 05, 2007, 12:33:59 AM

I was referring to businesses, not a state run institution that has absolutely no right (VIA the Bill of Rights) to also ban firearms to any length.

Also, I believe in letting people do what they want.  This is like creating Free Speech Zones.

You sure are a constitutionalist (sp?)...

While I think its a great document (and important part of our history), it was written several hundred years ago. Dont you think that there have been so many changes through the years that would, if the constitution was written today, essentially change much of the core principles in the constitution etc.?
Title: Re: Banning Tobacco On-Campus
Post by: Sal Atticum on October 05, 2007, 08:27:46 AM
:evilpop:
Title: Re: Banning Tobacco On-Campus
Post by: JakeJZG on October 08, 2007, 03:34:53 AM

I was referring to businesses, not a state run institution that has absolutely no right (VIA the Bill of Rights) to also ban firearms to any length.

Also, I believe in letting people do what they want.  This is like creating Free Speech Zones.

I don't see where either I have shown myself to be anything but, and I don't see one area of the Constitution that needs to be updated or changed.

You sure are a constitutionalist (sp?)...

While I think its a great document (and important part of our history), it was written several hundred years ago. Dont you think that there have been so many changes through the years that would, if the constitution was written today, essentially change much of the core principles in the constitution etc.?
Title: Re: Banning Tobacco On-Campus
Post by: pmp6nl on October 09, 2007, 11:54:20 PM
Well I know.  I was just saying in general you seem to be more focused in that direction... Im just giving you a hard time ;)
Title: Re: Banning Tobacco On-Campus
Post by: JakeJZG on October 10, 2007, 05:03:08 AM
Well I know.  I was just saying in general you seem to be more focused in that direction... Im just giving you a hard time ;)
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Title: Re: Banning Tobacco On-Campus
Post by: Sal Atticum on October 10, 2007, 08:10:54 AM
Jake seems to be angry about guns.

It's too bad he doesn't start anything about it here.
Title: Re: Banning Tobacco On-Campus
Post by: Admiral Ackbar on October 10, 2007, 08:14:25 AM
I haven't noticed anyone smoking less.  There sure are more drunk people though.
Title: Re: Banning Tobacco On-Campus
Post by: JakeJZG on October 10, 2007, 01:12:34 PM
I haven't noticed anyone smoking less.  There sure are more drunk people though.
I hope they allow nicotine gum and such.
Title: Re: Banning Tobacco On-Campus
Post by: pmp6nl on October 14, 2007, 12:42:59 PM
Rights of one person vs rights of another
Title: Re: Banning Tobacco On-Campus
Post by: ajekt on October 14, 2007, 04:05:51 PM
Blah Blah Blah. Its my right to smoke.  BS
Title: Re: Banning Tobacco On-Campus
Post by: JakeJZG on October 15, 2007, 02:19:57 AM
Perhaps we should question the University's decision to make health-related choices for us, rather than allow us to be adults?  Sure, this one isn't one that many people would disagree with, but let's say they take our constitutional right to own and have a firearm.  How about Free Speech?

Wait, they already did that.

What good is college again, save that nice piece of paper?  What is it really teaching us?
Title: Re: Banning Tobacco On-Campus
Post by: ajekt on October 15, 2007, 11:22:05 AM
Perhaps we should question the University's decision to make health-related choices for us, rather than allow us to be adults?  Sure, this one isn't one that many people would disagree with, but let's say they take our constitutional right to own and have a firearm.  How about Free Speech?

Wait, they already did that.

What good is college again, save that nice piece of paper?  What is it really teaching us?

Dear God, see my posts in the other thread.

Second hand smoke kills innocent people.  Why should that be allowed to be continued?

Rules and laws need to be put in place for the betterment of society.  There is a reason that certain things are illegal.  When I start to see students as a whole be responsible then I will reconsider, but when you have students making so many poor choices sometimes the university needs to guide the people in the right direction.  They are teaching us how to be better people of the world.
Title: Re: Banning Tobacco On-Campus
Post by: JakeJZG on October 15, 2007, 11:36:55 AM
Dear God, see my posts in the other thread.

Second hand smoke kills innocent people.  Why should that be allowed to be continued?

Rules and laws need to be put in place for the betterment of society.  There is a reason that certain things are illegal.  When I start to see students as a whole be responsible then I will reconsider, but when you have students making so many poor choices sometimes the university needs to guide the people in the right direction.  They are teaching us how to be better people of the world.

Rules and Laws are in place for order for a stable society - when any level of government begins to encroach on our personal freedoms questioning is in order.  Every.  Time.

People kill innocent people, should they be banned?  Terrible logic.
Title: Re: Banning Tobacco On-Campus
Post by: ajekt on October 15, 2007, 12:01:37 PM
The personal freedoms of who?  I think it is my personal freedom to not have to inhale all of the smoke.  They are encroaching on my personal rights.

What is your definition of a stable society?

The logic was just fine.  Sometimes people need to be told what to do, there are reasons there are laws and polices. 
Title: Re: Banning Tobacco On-Campus
Post by: JakeJZG on October 15, 2007, 12:45:53 PM
A stable society is one in which people regard the government as a necessary evil, and respect each other's space.  The government and people must live in an environment of accountability to human rights and good spirit.

This is merely legislated morality and it will neither improve public order or cease to any good measure the smoking on campus.
Title: Re: Banning Tobacco On-Campus
Post by: Sal Atticum on October 15, 2007, 03:26:15 PM
A stable society is one in which people regard the government as a necessary evil, and respect each other's space.  The government and people must live in an environment of accountability to human rights and good spirit.

Is it possible you're a libertarian as well as a constitutionalist?

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This is merely legislated morality and it will neither improve public order or cease to any good measure the smoking on campus.

Morality should never be legislated, I agree.

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Sometimes people need to be told what to do, there are reasons there are laws and polices. 
Before we start getting into telling people what to do, why don't we ask them first?  Or are you afraid to approach a smoker and ask them to step a little farther downwind?  I can tell you why the 20 foot rule didn't work: not because it wasn't enforced, but because everyone who disliked the people smoking right there decided to whinge about it amongst themselves, rather than talking to the people smoking themselves?  I think that smoking is declining rapidly in this country--why do you think that is?  It's not because of all these anti-smoking ads, it's because people started to care about their health, and they started to take issue with people around them lighting up--at work, at school, at home.  It's PEOPLE talking to PEOPLE, letting them know that the majority is against them, and that they aren't cool anymore.
Title: Re: Banning Tobacco On-Campus
Post by: zman on October 30, 2007, 12:10:01 PM
The discussion died off.

Title: Re: Banning Tobacco On-Campus
Post by: JakeJZG on October 30, 2007, 07:23:50 PM
Indeed it did.

I just wish people would find ways to figure things out without resorting to government.  It's like running to mommy.
Title: Re: Banning Tobacco On-Campus
Post by: Admiral Ackbar on December 10, 2007, 07:57:41 PM
"but mommy, he blew smoke in my face!!!1"

It's funny because girls are hot, and then they light a cigarette, and then they aren't hot anymore.  Maybe this will lead to more hot girls on campus except that they picked a time of year when everyone is bundled up anyway.

On the subject of hot girls, oh yeah ugg boots and short skirts!
Title: Re: Banning Tobacco On-Campus
Post by: Red on December 11, 2007, 10:40:51 AM

On the subject of hot girls, oh yeah ugg boots and short skirts!

Is the most foolish thing on earth, especially in North Dakota.  It’s hard leaving a coast, where stupid fads like that have been played out, and coming to NoDak for college just in time for absurd stuff like that to arrive.  To all you idiots from Fargo with your Surf Culture shirts, and Hurley hats, you are not surfers, you simply watch too much Laguna Beach, and you are dumb.
Title: Re: Banning Tobacco On-Campus
Post by: tetsujin on December 11, 2007, 11:33:56 AM
Haha, I just think those look stupid anyway.

Also, to something said above? If we are not supposed to resort to government what are we spose to do? Sir You are smoking! *punches them in the face and runs away* Ha you cannot catch me because you are smoking!...And then the person that is smoking will go "Crying to Mommy" And sue us.

Cameron
Title: Re: Banning Tobacco On-Campus
Post by: pmp6nl on December 13, 2007, 11:19:53 PM
Haha, I just think those look stupid anyway.

Also, to something said above? If we are not supposed to resort to government what are we spose to do? Sir You are smoking! *punches them in the face and runs away* Ha you cannot catch me because you are smoking!...And then the person that is smoking will go "Crying to Mommy" And sue us.

Cameron

hahaha.  Sorry I got a good laugh out of that.  thanks ;)
Title: Re: Banning Tobacco On-Campus
Post by: JakeJZG on December 16, 2007, 11:06:10 PM
Haha, I just think those look stupid anyway.

Also, to something said above? If we are not supposed to resort to government what are we spose to do? Sir You are smoking! *punches them in the face and runs away* Ha you cannot catch me because you are smoking!...And then the person that is smoking will go "Crying to Mommy" And sue us.

Cameron

Do what I do - get over it and move along.  When I don't want to get smoke in my face I just don't go where there is smoke.  I might occasionally not be able to plan it away and I brush it aside as I do other minor inconvinences.

As Paul Simon said, don't worry - be happy.
Title: Re: Banning Tobacco On-Campus
Post by: pmp6nl on December 16, 2007, 11:14:59 PM
Just build it as a social norm.
Title: Re: Banning Tobacco On-Campus
Post by: tetsujin on December 16, 2007, 11:37:09 PM
Haha, I just think those look stupid anyway.

Also, to something said above? If we are not supposed to resort to government what are we spose to do? Sir You are smoking! *punches them in the face and runs away* Ha you cannot catch me because you are smoking!...And then the person that is smoking will go "Crying to Mommy" And sue us.

Cameron

Do what I do - get over it and move along.  When I don't want to get smoke in my face I just don't go where there is smoke.  I might occasionally not be able to plan it away and I brush it aside as I do other minor inconvinences.

As Paul Simon said, don't worry - be happy.

There is a slight problem though, I have a first floor dorm room. People tend to smoke outside the window, and the windows don't seal well enough to not have the smoke come in, I am highly allergic to the smoke, needless to say, its a bad deal all around.
Title: Re: Banning Tobacco On-Campus
Post by: pmp6nl on December 17, 2007, 12:11:41 AM
That sucks.

Personally I see no reason that I should have to avoid the smoke.  Why should I have to go out of my way?

I am all for banning it, then again I am looking at a cost/benefit analysis.  I am looking at what I think would be the best for the most people.
Title: Re: Banning Tobacco On-Campus
Post by: Admiral Ackbar on January 28, 2008, 09:07:44 AM
That sucks.

Personally I see no reason that I should have to avoid the smoke.  Why should I have to go out of my way?

I am all for banning it, then again I am looking at a cost/benefit analysis.  I am looking at what I think would be the best for the most people.

You can't think like that!  That way lies madness!  If we work out "best for most people" no more good food, no more dangerous sports, no more driving no more freedom.
Title: Re: Banning Tobacco On-Campus
Post by: pmp6nl on January 28, 2008, 09:05:36 PM

You can't think like that!  That way lies madness!  If we work out "best for most people" no more good food, no more dangerous sports, no more driving no more freedom.

How did you come to those conclusions?

It is best for most people coupled with a cost/benefit analysis.
Title: Re: Banning Tobacco On-Campus
Post by: JakeJZG on January 31, 2008, 01:46:02 AM
Why don't we just handle the actual problems here.  Smoking is not the problem - the use of it without regard to surroundings is.  Now, assuming this is a problem on campus (and I have yet to contact it as a problem) it should be handled on those grounds.

Outlawing this is as absurd as outlawing soft drinks on campus, or saturated fats.  It's idiotic.
Title: Re: Banning Tobacco On-Campus
Post by: pmp6nl on January 31, 2008, 04:19:40 PM
Why don't we just handle the actual problems here.  Smoking is not the problem - the use of it without regard to surroundings is.  Now, assuming this is a problem on campus (and I have yet to contact it as a problem) it should be handled on those grounds.

Outlawing this is as absurd as outlawing soft drinks on campus, or saturated fats.  It's idiotic.

What about outlawing cocaine or PCP or alcohol?
Title: Re: Banning Tobacco On-Campus
Post by: JakeJZG on January 31, 2008, 05:38:36 PM
I personally don't care what people do - the bad effects of it are already outlawed (killing, abuse, etc).  If you outlaw cocaine or marijuana you need to outlaw alcohol.

I don't feel it works to outlaw such things.
Title: Re: Banning Tobacco On-Campus
Post by: Admiral Ackbar on February 12, 2008, 09:59:13 AM

You can't think like that!  That way lies madness!  If we work out "best for most people" no more good food, no more dangerous sports, no more driving no more freedom.

How did you come to those conclusions?

It is best for most people coupled with a cost/benefit analysis.

Not eating cheeseburgers would help keep the average cholesterol in the US down, which would put less stress on the health care system, which would mean fewer hospitals, which would mean less taxpayer money going to build things, which would be better for all of us.  We should outlaw cheeseburgers!

Once you jump to the conclusion that you have the idea that is "the best for everyone," you have to start worrying about all the other things that could happen if someone else decides they know what's best for you.
Title: Re: Banning Tobacco On-Campus
Post by: pmp6nl on February 12, 2008, 10:03:45 AM
Cheesburgers are not necissarily bad for you, moderation is the key... do you have proof for your claims?

If cheese burgers affected me in such a negative way as second hand smoke does than I would worry. Second hand smoke is a leading cause of health problems.
Title: Re: Banning Tobacco On-Campus
Post by: Admiral Ackbar on February 17, 2008, 07:51:39 PM
Wouldn't moderation of smoking be a good thing too?  Why don't we just make it so cigarettes have to be shorter thana  certain length?  That would really screw with people, but it might help them quit.
Title: Re: Banning Tobacco On-Campus
Post by: pmp6nl on February 17, 2008, 07:52:57 PM
Wouldn't moderation of smoking be a good thing too?  Why don't we just make it so cigarettes have to be shorter thana  certain length?  That would really screw with people, but it might help them quit.

Sure.  Do it, be the change you want to see ;)
Title: Re: Banning Tobacco On-Campus
Post by: Sal Atticum on February 22, 2008, 08:33:29 AM
It's worse than ever, in my opinion.  Now we get cigarette butts all over the ground all over campus, and people still light them before they even get out the door.
Title: Re: Banning Tobacco On-Campus
Post by: pmp6nl on March 03, 2008, 11:25:09 PM
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FARGO (AP) — New smoking restrictions at North Dakota State University will take effect July 1.

NDSU President Joseph Chapman has signed off on a policy that prohibits smoking within 50 feet of buildings.

NDSU’s student government, university senate and staff senate recommended the new policy.
Title: Re: Banning Tobacco On-Campus
Post by: Sal Atticum on March 26, 2008, 03:26:36 PM

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Title: Re: Banning Tobacco On-Campus
Post by: Admiral Ackbar on October 25, 2008, 10:32:35 AM
New stuff at UofM Mankatao. (http://www.grandforksherald.com/articles/index.cfm?id=90755&section=Opinion)
Title: Re: Banning Tobacco On-Campus
Post by: Sal Atticum on January 08, 2010, 11:08:17 AM
Lake Region State College is banning tobacco now too: http://www.grandforksherald.com/event/article/id/146810/
Title: Re: Banning Tobacco On-Campus
Post by: pmp6nl on January 08, 2010, 12:12:20 PM
It sounds like this is a reoccurring them across ND campuses... to ban tobacco or smoking.  What college/universities now have bans?

Bismarck State College
Lake Region
NDSU
UND
??