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Re: Build my own or get a ready one...
« Reply #20 on: September 14, 2010, 11:12:45 PM »
A $400 ridley xbow or a $2-300 Optimo set?

Did you get hit in the head? Why is this even a question? Broseph says the TT is dented on the cdale but it might just be the tubing graduation. Otherwise someone donked it with bar spins. Either way who cares.

Neither of these bikes is what I would call a "training bike" or a "comfortable" bike per se. But the cx bikes will have bigger tires on them so you'll get some comfort that way.

I like though how you wanted something cheap to train on and ur posting competitive cyclist's weblinks... thats funny... lol.

This is also the worst possible time to be buying a cross set, you should wait like 2 more months. You could also get the stupid phantom cross uno from bikes direct.

I'd roll a cdale and throw some rival or some other slacker group on there.
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Re: Build my own or get a ready one...
« Reply #21 on: September 14, 2010, 11:13:08 PM »
also stop posting item numbers... just post the links... its way more gooder.
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Re: Build my own or get a ready one...
« Reply #22 on: September 14, 2010, 11:13:54 PM »
Or find a redline conquest.

Or goto a cx race and see if anyone is selling something.

Or goto bike club meeting and see if anyone is selling some awesomeness.
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Re: Build my own or get a ready one...
« Reply #23 on: September 14, 2010, 11:37:41 PM »
I lost bidding on a Redline. thanks for a comment, or comments, or ... :P
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Re: Build my own or get a ready one...
« Reply #24 on: September 15, 2010, 10:30:48 AM »
Got that Cany frame.

What is your position on using tubular wheels/tires for cyclocross bike? I have thiose CAen Creeks that I could glule with some tubulars, but I'm not sure if it is a good idea. Dave, arrrr you the only one checking this post? Yost, where the heck are you? Others??
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Re: Build my own or get a ready one...
« Reply #25 on: September 15, 2010, 10:53:50 AM »
If they make tubulars for cx, someone must ride them.  All my arguments are based on cost, so I'm probably not one to comment.
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Re: Build my own or get a ready one...
« Reply #26 on: September 15, 2010, 01:15:47 PM »
I don't know why everyone is against tubulars. I don't care who you are or what you ride you can NOT say that clinchers are better for almost any situation. The ONLY reason that someone shouldn't be using tubulars is because of the costs associated with them. HOWEVER the only way that cost becomes a real issue is if you don't know what you're doing.

Tubular: Vittoria Corsa Evo (which is a NICE tire) $55/~240 Grams
Clincher: Michelin Pro3's (also nice tire) $45/~200 Grams + $6 tube ~100 Grams (total ~300 Grams)
Im counting glue and rim tape as a wash both in cost and weight though I suspect glue has a slight advantage.

Now you're saying well ok... what about when I flat? Thats where the cost difference is huge! Still though lets look.

If you flat a clincher, you can patch about 5 of them for about $5 or you could just buy more tubes at $6 each.
If you flat a tubular, you need to buy a whole new tire at a cost of $55!

NOT SO! First, a tubular can be patched JUST AS EASILY as a clincher tube. It IS a tube after all. If you're apprehensive, many shops will do it, AND there are a couple people on the web that actually fully repair tubulars for you for about $15!

So while the costs are certainly greater, they generally are NOT the ridiculously high costs people seem to think they are, and remember, you spend x amount of money on getting super light chains, and lightweight little things that also wear out. Yet we do it because of the benefits of the lighter weight or the nicer ride or the bling or whatever...

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Now Mario... using tubulars off road. Again, a good question albeit a bit naive. Tubulars are great for cross because you can run really low pressures and not get a pinch flat. Cross tubulars are starting to get a little "harder to come across" but they are pretty cheap. But I'm not "against" tubulars for cx, even if you flat out you won't be very far from the start/finish/civilization.

Really though I'm in the middle of something, so I probably have more to say but my train of thought is all over the place.
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Re: Build my own or get a ready one...
« Reply #27 on: September 15, 2010, 02:26:56 PM »
Good points Dave, good points. I might end up ripping my road tires off of my Canes and glu some cross rubber on them. I've been seeing that Vitoria on Bonktown for about $45 I think.
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Re: Build my own or get a ready one...
« Reply #28 on: September 15, 2010, 03:18:09 PM »
Not particularly arguing with you, but thanks for the rundown.

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So while the costs are certainly greater, they generally are NOT the ridiculously high costs people seem to think they are, and remember, you spend x amount of money on getting super light chains, and lightweight little things that also wear out. Yet we do it because of the benefits of the lighter weight or the nicer ride or the bling or whatever...
Mostly it's this.  I tend not to care about weight, so personally I (at present) don't feel the need to buy new wheels and tires and learn how to glue things.  Although the skills in the future might come in useful.
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Re: Build my own or get a ready one...
« Reply #29 on: September 15, 2010, 04:33:37 PM »
I can respect that beek but in all actuality, it isn't very hard at all. My biggest argument in general is that the cycling community has generated some form of stigma against tubs just because they are less common at the lower levels of cycling. Its either too expensive or too difficult to glue, etc.

In reality, gluing up a tubular does take a little more time, but a flat can be changed much quicker generally (if you're carrying an extra tubular with you). The other GREAT benefit is that IF you flat you can keep control of the bike much easier because the tire is glued to the rim and won't come off.

@ Mario... no need to wait for bonktown, those prices I quoted you can be had right this second.

www.wroldclasscycles.com

The website is a little wonky at first, but the service is second to none. I've ordered all of my tubulars from there as well as some VERY hard to find parts (namely my cork brake pads). Otherwise, goto probikekit.com

back @ beek: to ADD to the cost benefits, since tubulars "age" like wines, you could realistically buy them in bulk and save even more money. and as for the benefits of weight... I do NOT consider that the best benefit of the tubular. I think the best benefit HANDS DOWN is the ride quality. It of course matters what type of tubular you get, but my 320tpi vittorias were VERY nice for a machine made cotton tubular. It made such a huge difference on my cdale with my SLR on it that when I ride distance on that slr on clinchers vs tubulars I can ride noticeably further with less discomfort. But certainly weight, rolling resistance, comfort, convenience are all various benefits. I'm not so much arguing against clinchers because I use them too, but I just want to make the point that while there may be reasons to dislike tubulars, there are no more reasons to dislike them than there are to dislike clinchers. People shouldn't be so quick to brush off what nearly every pro rider swears by.
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Re: Build my own or get a ready one...
« Reply #30 on: September 16, 2010, 09:38:00 AM »
OK, another Q. Does anybody know what chain length is ususlly used on cross bikes? The question might sound stupid, but it's not. I know it depends on the chainstay length, and crank bigest chainring along with the size of the biggest sprocket on the back. Standard chains come in 112 or 114 links, and for most 54-56 size road rigs, with 53T chain ring and 25-27 biggest sprocket the chian has to be cut short. I cannot remember though, how many links are removed. I'm asking all this, becasue there are new, cheep Shimano 105 chains for under $20 that are pre-cut to 106 links. With me having 54 size rig and most likelly 46 T chain ring and 27 sprocket I'm wondering if 106 links is enough...Anybody has any idea?
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Re: Build my own or get a ready one...
« Reply #31 on: September 16, 2010, 10:12:46 AM »
Is this all stuff that Mario used to ask in person so I never heard?  Or is it his new immersion among engineers all day long?

Here is my googling: http://www.bikeforums.net/archive/index.php/t-449465.html

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Re: Build my own or get a ready one...
« Reply #32 on: September 16, 2010, 11:25:04 AM »
No this is about par for the course...

Mario, chain length has to be measured on the bike. AGAIN, goto Sheldon Browns website and read some stuff. You can buy the 105 chain and just add links if need be.

You can actually use some of your fancy math to figure out the chain length necessary. 46/2 = 32 + largest sprocket on cassette/2 + distance from the place the chain leaves the front chain ring to where it enters the rear cog + the distance from the RD to where it meets the front chain ring + 10.

Since chains are 1/2" pitch. You could also just run a string through your system and then cut it to length, take it out and measure it.

Also... if you REALLY want to build this bike the right way (and you do), you should go onto sheldons site and use the gear calculator to figure out what you should be running. Since a 46/39 is common up front you might put a 12-32 in the back. Since that requires that you run a long cage RD, you might be able to just run a 44/39 and an 11-27 in the back and have the same gearing spreads. It might even save you from buying a new cassette. Then again you could just man up and run it SS.

Aren't you an engineer?
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Re: Build my own or get a ready one...
« Reply #33 on: September 16, 2010, 11:26:54 AM »
PS if the chain ends up short (which I doubt it would) you can just go to the local shop and ask if they have any spare links lying around since you'd only need like 3.

Don't mention you're a triathlete or they'll charge you for the links.
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Re: Build my own or get a ready one...
« Reply #34 on: September 16, 2010, 11:46:24 AM »
PS if the chain ends up short (which I doubt it would) you can just go to the local shop and ask if they have any spare links lying around since you'd only need like 3.

Don't mention you're a triathlete or they'll charge you for the links.

LOL!
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Re: Build my own or get a ready one...
« Reply #35 on: September 16, 2010, 11:52:58 AM »
Is this all stuff that Mario used to ask in person so I never heard?  Or is it his new immersion among engineers all day long?

Here is my googling: http://www.bikeforums.net/archive/index.php/t-449465.html





He,he, mystery...  :mystery:  Thanks guys.
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Re: Build my own or get a ready one...
« Reply #36 on: September 16, 2010, 11:54:25 AM »
Also... I'd be more worried about how sweet your beard is than whether or not your chain is long enough. Lets get those priorities straight.
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Re: Build my own or get a ready one...
« Reply #37 on: September 16, 2010, 12:03:11 PM »
 :icon_bigsmurf: roger that!
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Re: Build my own or get a ready one...
« Reply #38 on: September 23, 2010, 09:28:41 AM »
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Re: Build my own or get a ready one...
« Reply #39 on: September 23, 2010, 12:06:16 PM »
That thing is awesome.

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