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Build my own or get a ready one...
« on: September 08, 2010, 01:28:15 PM »
What should I do...? Build my own cross bike or buy a ready one. I don't want to spent a bunch a money. I know building is more fun, but I'm not sure if collecting parts would be so efficient. Also if I build, should I go for disc wheels or standard V/canti type? SO confused... There is relaly nice Cany frame on e-bay (ending soon), but it has ONLY disc break mounts...WHAT YA THINKIN'?
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Re: Build my own or get a ready one...
« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2010, 01:42:59 PM »
I think it depends on when your first 'cross race is...
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Re: Build my own or get a ready one...
« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2010, 01:55:21 PM »
Building is infinitely cheaper than buying whole. Unless you want to buy something crappy and just deal with it.

Cross bike you should get cantis, disc brakes are illegal in some cross races.
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Re: Build my own or get a ready one...
« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2010, 02:02:15 PM »
Quote from: Plantains on September 08, 2010, 01:55:21 PM
Building is infinitely cheaper than buying whole. Unless you want to buy something crappy and just deal with it.

Cross bike you should get cantis, disc brakes are illegal in some cross races.

I have heard that UCI legalized discs.
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Re: Build my own or get a ready one...
« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2010, 02:02:43 PM »
SO build, huh...?
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Re: Build my own or get a ready one...
« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2010, 02:04:20 PM »
What would your rec for RD? I have seen people/companies puting MTB line of equipment, like Deore or XT for RD.
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Re: Build my own or get a ready one...
« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2010, 02:21:34 PM »
Also, what are the smallest chainrings I can put on a 130 BCD spider  :mystery: ? Does anybody know?
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Re: Build my own or get a ready one...
« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2010, 03:12:56 PM »
Mario... read some stuff on sheldon browns website. It explains all of this stuff in detail.

If UCI legalized discs sweet, but discs aren't going to be that much better than cantis in the sense of how much it'll cost vs benefits. You can interchange wheelsets with a canti setup between road and cross, discs... forget it.

Components you could do whatever, some long cage stuff is better, but I know guys racing sram red for cross so whatevs? If you're looking to do it cheap, why not find some old 9 speed shimano stuff (like 105) and build it with that?
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Re: Build my own or get a ready one...
« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2010, 03:21:39 PM »
Also 38 teeth is the smallest possible on a 130BCD ringset. I figured you'd be able to figure this out with your fancy mathematical skillz yo.
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Re: Build my own or get a ready one...
« Reply #9 on: September 09, 2010, 08:52:24 AM »
Anybody knows anything about this frame KHS CX200 Cyclocross : 250683616930 (e-bay item) ??
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Re: Build my own or get a ready one...
« Reply #10 on: September 09, 2010, 11:35:24 AM »
Its a cross frame by KHS.
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Re: Build my own or get a ready one...
« Reply #11 on: September 09, 2010, 11:57:00 AM »
Someone is selling it on ebay.
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Re: Build my own or get a ready one...
« Reply #12 on: September 09, 2010, 01:08:35 PM »
WOW, aren't you guys holerious!  :ntsa: Any more info??
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Re: Build my own or get a ready one...
« Reply #13 on: September 09, 2010, 07:39:01 PM »
Well like what info are you looking for?

I mean, you've never raced cross so it's pretty pointless to buy a $1000 frame, and even if you wanted to buy a $1000 frame you don't know what you like so we can't say if it's a good frame or not.

Personally... if *I*were going to be purchasing a new bike to get into a discipline in which I had ZERO experience, my NUMBER ONE priority would be getting a frame that fits me well.

So, goto KHS' website and find the frame and get the geometry and figure out if that specific geometry will fit you. Example, when i had my Giant, I liked the technology, but I just couldn't get the compact geometry to fit correctly, so bye bye Giant. Same with my Xclusive MTB.

The SECOND thing I'd look at is what the heck I'm going to use it for. If I'm buying a cross bike, I'm getting something with cantis, but I've also ridden LOTS of off road so I know I like rims vs discs. For you you might want to do what I did with my 1st MTB and get a bike that has both cantis and disc (mounts) and then get a wheelset that is equally compatible.

But I mean it's stupid to ask someone else what they think of a specific frame other than whether KHS is a "good company" but it doesn't even matter because you're not trying to blow a bunch of money on cross (and I don't suggest you do). Weight isn't anything in cycling outside of road and MAYBE track. So find a frame that has the correct geometry, and that you could either trash and not GAF or upgrade and keep forever and not care that it weighs 5 lbs.

If you decide that you love cx, then you could upgrade whatever you want... the same way you did with ur Trek.

Like how my 1st roadie was a steel frame with awesome components that were DIRT cheap. I didn't care about weight, I was riding for fun.
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Re: Build my own or get a ready one...
« Reply #14 on: September 09, 2010, 07:40:41 PM »
In short... a "good" frame is one that fits you well. No one (esp outside of road) will care what it says on the side. They're all there because they love it.
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Re: Build my own or get a ready one...
« Reply #15 on: September 09, 2010, 08:24:55 PM »
Thanks Dave, that was helpful. I'm not necessarily looking into race machine, but rather a bike that I can use for my late fall-winter-early spring training outside, and also for maybe one or two races. For example, all the group rides right now over here are on the gravel roads. I went this Tuesday to do one, and I was struggling to stay with those guys (I was on my Fuji MTB).2h20min of hard riding. I was spent at the end. And no, you couldn't go on those roads on your road bike, they were pretty rough. So that is what I'm looking for.
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« Reply #16 on: September 09, 2010, 09:24:11 PM »
So yeah... who even cares about disc brakes and shit.

Find yourself a budget cross frame with cantis. Then you can use a road wheelset AND if you wanted you can build a cross wheelset. Get it to fit properly of course or you'll be working all the wrong muscles. If you really wanted to, you could use your MTB cassette and crank (those are easy enough to swap over) and then just get some canti brakes and cross tires. If you find something with the same seat tube diameter you could even swap your saddle and post over.

If you run ur MTB cassette or a "cross" cassette (I'd maybe get something that you could use for mountain riding on ur roadie AND cross racing (dual purpose) but make sure you have a long cage rear derailleur (or make sure your cluster is within the limits of the short cage stuff).

Frame: Make sure it fits, find something with the same seat post diameter.
Cranks: Use ur MTB
BB: Make sure its spaced for a triple (or a double if you go that route)
Shifters: Find some old ass brifters (even 8 speed)
FD: If you run a triple make sure you have a "triple" FD (its that weirdo bigger looking one (look at the diff between ur MTB and ur roadie))
RD: Make sure you get a long cage if you have big gears
Cassette: You could easily swap ur MTB back and forth.
Seat/Post: You can easily swap back and forth on ur MTB.
Wheelset: With cantis you can use ur roadies. If you go building, get some HED belgiums or some CXP22s or some Open pros.

Boom. Cross biek.
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Re: Build my own or get a ready one...
« Reply #17 on: September 09, 2010, 09:24:27 PM »
Also grow a beard.
And don't just get a bike for training outside. Why the heck don't you just stop being a bitch and race some cross.
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Re: Build my own or get a ready one...
« Reply #18 on: September 10, 2010, 08:59:52 AM »
Quote from: Plantains on September 09, 2010, 09:24:27 PM
Also grow a beard.
And don't just get a bike for training outside. Why the heck don't you just stop being a bitch and race some cross.

Maybe I will, if I get the bike put together on time :P
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Re: Build my own or get a ready one...
« Reply #19 on: September 14, 2010, 09:30:58 PM »
So which one would you go for: e-bay item 110585038705 (he says he would do buy it now for $300 shipped), or this one: http://www.competitivecyclist.com/road-bikes/frame/2009-ridley-crossbow-3301.html
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